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	<title>Comments on: Why do some believe that legalizing gay marriage would lead to marriage to animals and relatives?</title>
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		<title>By: VeggieTart (The Cranky Agnostic)</title>
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		<dc:creator>VeggieTart (The Cranky Agnostic)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really easy to say because they&#039;re nuts or because they&#039;re idiots.  But I think some of them are utterly CLUELESS.  They think gay people are making a &quot;choice&quot;, and in a sense, they are: The choice to be honest about themselves.

And I suspect that the same arguments were once made against interracial marriages, and 40+ years after Loving v. Virginia, there&#039;s not a rash of people marrying animals or sibling marriages.  Yeah, one crackpot woman married a dolphin a few years back.  And sure, people will have &quot;wedding ceremonies&quot; between pets, but I don&#039;t think any of these folks expect legal rights out of these unions.  Same-sex couples would like to have the legal rights and responsibilities of marriage, including the right to marry whom they love.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really easy to say because they&#8217;re nuts or because they&#8217;re idiots.  But I think some of them are utterly CLUELESS.  They think gay people are making a &quot;choice&quot;, and in a sense, they are: The choice to be honest about themselves.</p>
<p>And I suspect that the same arguments were once made against interracial marriages, and 40+ years after Loving v. Virginia, there&#8217;s not a rash of people marrying animals or sibling marriages.  Yeah, one crackpot woman married a dolphin a few years back.  And sure, people will have &quot;wedding ceremonies&quot; between pets, but I don&#8217;t think any of these folks expect legal rights out of these unions.  Same-sex couples would like to have the legal rights and responsibilities of marriage, including the right to marry whom they love.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Epinions Reviewer.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Epinions Reviewer.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything is possible in the nut farm that is this world. 

There is no inalienable right to marriage, the founding fathers never mentioned it. Gays should have the same civil rights as in civil unions, but marriage is going to far against TRADITIONALISM. There is no logical reason to change it now.

If you disagree give me some logical reasons rather than media nonsense &amp; emotional histrionics?&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything is possible in the nut farm that is this world. </p>
<p>There is no inalienable right to marriage, the founding fathers never mentioned it. Gays should have the same civil rights as in civil unions, but marriage is going to far against TRADITIONALISM. There is no logical reason to change it now.</p>
<p>If you disagree give me some logical reasons rather than media nonsense &amp; emotional histrionics?<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Rockford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rockford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Also, there are laws on the books against marrying relatives&quot;

So you would agree then that society sets boundaries on what is socially acceptable. It&#039;s not up to the individual.

Gay people say is  &quot;What is the harm as long its two consenting adults who love each other?&quot;  Well, what about two consenting gay brothers?  No birth defects there.  If you don&#039;t think it will happen, then google the article that was in Details Magazine entitled:

&quot;The curious case of gay-porn-star identical twins&quot;

It&#039;s up to the gay community to take leadership and set boundaries on what is not acceptable individual behaviour.  They should know that brothers marrying is wrong.  Why not come out and say it?.  But somehow I think they would champion it as part of their cause.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot; Also, there are laws on the books against marrying relatives&quot;</p>
<p>So you would agree then that society sets boundaries on what is socially acceptable. It&#8217;s not up to the individual.</p>
<p>Gay people say is  &quot;What is the harm as long its two consenting adults who love each other?&quot;  Well, what about two consenting gay brothers?  No birth defects there.  If you don&#8217;t think it will happen, then google the article that was in Details Magazine entitled:</p>
<p>&quot;The curious case of gay-porn-star identical twins&quot;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s up to the gay community to take leadership and set boundaries on what is not acceptable individual behaviour.  They should know that brothers marrying is wrong.  Why not come out and say it?.  But somehow I think they would champion it as part of their cause.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Clayton A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word Marriage is what keeps this issue from getting resolved.

From what I understand all Gays really want is for them and their partner to be able to receive the same benefits afforded to married couples.

The Government aka State should not have a role in Church matters per Separation of Church and State!

First of all there is not a nation on earth that can force the Catholic Church or the Jewish Church to celebrate the Sacrament of Marriage between two people of the same sex. It just won&#039;t happen.

However, the Government should pass legislation that would allow Gay couples to receive the same benefits afforded to married couples without using the word Marriage.

Call it a Civil Union or Domestic Partnership.

Civil Unions or Domestic Partnerships would be the answer for Gays and others in similar situations such as elderly brothers or sisters living together.

This issue would have been resolved by now if it were not for the word Marriage and that Gays are pressing the issue.

As it stands the issue is too valuable to Politicians not to resolve but to use for their individual political gains.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word Marriage is what keeps this issue from getting resolved.</p>
<p>From what I understand all Gays really want is for them and their partner to be able to receive the same benefits afforded to married couples.</p>
<p>The Government aka State should not have a role in Church matters per Separation of Church and State!</p>
<p>First of all there is not a nation on earth that can force the Catholic Church or the Jewish Church to celebrate the Sacrament of Marriage between two people of the same sex. It just won&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>However, the Government should pass legislation that would allow Gay couples to receive the same benefits afforded to married couples without using the word Marriage.</p>
<p>Call it a Civil Union or Domestic Partnership.</p>
<p>Civil Unions or Domestic Partnerships would be the answer for Gays and others in similar situations such as elderly brothers or sisters living together.</p>
<p>This issue would have been resolved by now if it were not for the word Marriage and that Gays are pressing the issue.</p>
<p>As it stands the issue is too valuable to Politicians not to resolve but to use for their individual political gains.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Aidan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservatives are all about moral do-do-ism if its not the gays its the feminists destroying the modern man, if not that the liberals are about to bring an apocalypes upon society transforming simeltaniously into sodom and gommorah and a totalitarian state run by chairman mao.
 This is because on the one hand conservatives beleive that without their moral vision society will explode into a million pieces and on the other hand state intervention will countermand traditional forms of control and therefore is totalitarian interference with the other of things.
 On the other hand it is the weak tactic of conservatism. &#039;What next?!&#039; basically means &#039;hey, something you dont like is going to happen as well if you let this happen&#039;
 Conservatives live in a frozen world without change or adaption. They dont understand that the basic standard of human society for the its entire existance is social and political change. Therefore they believe tthat their society is the only society: that it is society. When their morals beging to dissappear society will fizzle away and we will start giving in to all sorts of kinky perversions and start cracking each others heads open.
 Also they are incapable of placing their debate firmly in the philosphy of liberty and consent/free association. Suddenly when two people can get married. A peadophile can marry a little boy. Twenty million people can marry each other for whatever that would practically mean. If it causes expenses on the shoulders of others then we could rightly restrict it for liberties sake.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservatives are all about moral do-do-ism if its not the gays its the feminists destroying the modern man, if not that the liberals are about to bring an apocalypes upon society transforming simeltaniously into sodom and gommorah and a totalitarian state run by chairman mao.<br />
 This is because on the one hand conservatives beleive that without their moral vision society will explode into a million pieces and on the other hand state intervention will countermand traditional forms of control and therefore is totalitarian interference with the other of things.<br />
 On the other hand it is the weak tactic of conservatism. &#8216;What next?!&#8217; basically means &#8216;hey, something you dont like is going to happen as well if you let this happen&#8217;<br />
 Conservatives live in a frozen world without change or adaption. They dont understand that the basic standard of human society for the its entire existance is social and political change. Therefore they believe tthat their society is the only society: that it is society. When their morals beging to dissappear society will fizzle away and we will start giving in to all sorts of kinky perversions and start cracking each others heads open.<br />
 Also they are incapable of placing their debate firmly in the philosphy of liberty and consent/free association. Suddenly when two people can get married. A peadophile can marry a little boy. Twenty million people can marry each other for whatever that would practically mean. If it causes expenses on the shoulders of others then we could rightly restrict it for liberties sake.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: mdfalco71</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdfalco71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a depressing fact that some people actually equate them all on the same level - as something abnormal, as I think some answerers have said. It&#039;s the same kind of logic that sees anti-gay propoganda equating homosexuality with paedophilia, and is essentially based on the principle that if &quot;we, the incensed, traditional, normal people&quot; don&#039;t like something, then it&#039;s abnormal to like it, because &quot;we&quot; define what&#039;s normal by virtue of the majority - which of course is one of the pesky democratic principles on which Western democracies are based.

Naturally enough of course, anyone looking at the evidence finds no statistically relevant link between homosexuality and paedophilia, any more than there&#039;s evidence that legalising one thing inexorably leads to legalising another with a broader societal disapproval rating (after all, alcohol kills more than crack, coke and heroin combined each year, but there&#039;s no particular impetus to legalise any of these last three drugs).

Personally, if we&#039;re going to go down the &quot;slippery slope&quot; route, I think one has to ask what would actually be that wrong with, for example, legalised polygamy/polyandry. Plenty of consent available there. Incestuous relationships, like crack, coke and heroin, would probably be beyond the pale of public perception for the forseeable future because they run an increased risk of coercion. As such, there&#039;s probably no danger that legalising gay marriage would lead to any such issue in their case. Animals of course are incapable of giving - or indeed witholding - consent, so they entail an entirely different class of relationship.

Ultimately, the answer is that some people believe that legalising gay marriage leads to XYZ because they simply think it&#039;s wrong. The trick is to educate generations out of the prejudices they pick up at home (or, it has to be remembered, in their place of worship). Change will come as quickly as the masses demand it, and the will allows it, as it did in Roe V Wade.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a depressing fact that some people actually equate them all on the same level &#8211; as something abnormal, as I think some answerers have said. It&#8217;s the same kind of logic that sees anti-gay propoganda equating homosexuality with paedophilia, and is essentially based on the principle that if &quot;we, the incensed, traditional, normal people&quot; don&#8217;t like something, then it&#8217;s abnormal to like it, because &quot;we&quot; define what&#8217;s normal by virtue of the majority &#8211; which of course is one of the pesky democratic principles on which Western democracies are based.</p>
<p>Naturally enough of course, anyone looking at the evidence finds no statistically relevant link between homosexuality and paedophilia, any more than there&#8217;s evidence that legalising one thing inexorably leads to legalising another with a broader societal disapproval rating (after all, alcohol kills more than crack, coke and heroin combined each year, but there&#8217;s no particular impetus to legalise any of these last three drugs).</p>
<p>Personally, if we&#8217;re going to go down the &quot;slippery slope&quot; route, I think one has to ask what would actually be that wrong with, for example, legalised polygamy/polyandry. Plenty of consent available there. Incestuous relationships, like crack, coke and heroin, would probably be beyond the pale of public perception for the forseeable future because they run an increased risk of coercion. As such, there&#8217;s probably no danger that legalising gay marriage would lead to any such issue in their case. Animals of course are incapable of giving &#8211; or indeed witholding &#8211; consent, so they entail an entirely different class of relationship.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the answer is that some people believe that legalising gay marriage leads to XYZ because they simply think it&#8217;s wrong. The trick is to educate generations out of the prejudices they pick up at home (or, it has to be remembered, in their place of worship). Change will come as quickly as the masses demand it, and the will allows it, as it did in Roe V Wade.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: mopar Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mopar Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because sin always leads to more sin. History has more than demonstrated that. The Roman Empire , Babylon and Ancient Greece are perfect examples, they started out with homosexuality eventually leading into bestiality and other gross immorality. God bless.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because sin always leads to more sin. History has more than demonstrated that. The Roman Empire , Babylon and Ancient Greece are perfect examples, they started out with homosexuality eventually leading into bestiality and other gross immorality. God bless.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: 60 min man</title>
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		<dc:creator>60 min man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is no evidence of birth defects from relatives marrying. none that i am aware of anyway. second, there are laws on the books against gays being married. and last, if marriage is defined as anything other than one man and one woman, mormons for instance, can have several wives and oh how a divorce court would love the headaches that come along with that. point is, change it from one man and one woman, the fllod gates will open. and in fifty years when we have robots that appear fully human and function in society, and it is coming, what is to stop a person from marrying a bot?and if we deny that person, he does the sam as the gay rights community does on this one.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is no evidence of birth defects from relatives marrying. none that i am aware of anyway. second, there are laws on the books against gays being married. and last, if marriage is defined as anything other than one man and one woman, mormons for instance, can have several wives and oh how a divorce court would love the headaches that come along with that. point is, change it from one man and one woman, the fllod gates will open. and in fifty years when we have robots that appear fully human and function in society, and it is coming, what is to stop a person from marrying a bot?and if we deny that person, he does the sam as the gay rights community does on this one.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: piegowdealer</title>
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		<dc:creator>piegowdealer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take any rational argument and push it far enough and you get ridiculous results.

Alternate lifestyles? Where do you draw the line after you start down that slippery slope?  Of course those who put out this ludicrous argument also want to start down the slippery slope of injecting religion into everything.

a matter of whose slippery slope we head down.

And they fail/refuse to acknowlege that as this society is more accepting of gays it it simultaneously becoming less tolerant of family violence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take any rational argument and push it far enough and you get ridiculous results.</p>
<p>Alternate lifestyles? Where do you draw the line after you start down that slippery slope?  Of course those who put out this ludicrous argument also want to start down the slippery slope of injecting religion into everything.</p>
<p>a matter of whose slippery slope we head down.</p>
<p>And they fail/refuse to acknowlege that as this society is more accepting of gays it it simultaneously becoming less tolerant of family violence.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: geyamala</title>
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		<dc:creator>geyamala</dc:creator>
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		<description>Freud and other psychologists regarded homosexual behavior as abnormal.
 Freud stated that paranoid people would become homo sexual.
now that opinion is  regarded as no more correct.
After 50 years, we do not know marriage between human beings and animals may be regarded as normal. EDIT.
we should not have dogmatic beliefs. they must change.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freud and other psychologists regarded homosexual behavior as abnormal.<br />
 Freud stated that paranoid people would become homo sexual.<br />
now that opinion is  regarded as no more correct.<br />
After 50 years, we do not know marriage between human beings and animals may be regarded as normal. EDIT.<br />
we should not have dogmatic beliefs. they must change.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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